Sunday, July 10, 2005

Times praises culture of death

Most readers of the Globblog, I suspect, are cultural liberals. When Markos Moulitsas listed assisted suicide and abortion on demand as "core values" of the Democratic Party, I suspect most readers of the Globblog agreed with him.

I don't.

The New York Times has long been a megaphone for what Pope John Paul II called the "culture of death" (FYI: I am not Roman Catholic). On the issue of euthanasia, the Pope wrote:
Here we are faced with one of the more alarming symptoms of the "culture of death", which is advancing above all in prosperous societies, marked by an attitude of excessive preoccupation with efficiency and which sees the growing number of elderly and disabled people as intolerable and too burdensome. These people are very often isolated by their families and by society, which are organized almost exclusively on the basis of criteria of productive efficiency, according to which a hopelessly impaired life no longer has any value.
Nick Kristof, on the other hand, thinks suicide to be an essential element of "death with dignity" -- dignity more of less summed up as final control over one's bodily destiny. In his opinion piece on a retired Oregon tugboat captain, the theme of productive efficiency is everywhere, hidden under the language of "burden" upon others, control and rational planning.
  • "he doesn't want to put his wife and 17-year-old daughter through the trauma of caring for him as he loses control over his body."

  • "I don't want to linger and put my wife and family through this."

  • "I want to go out on my own terms"

  • "his biggest concern isn't pain so much as the loss of autonomy and dignity. That's partly why he wants the medication on hand - if he feels himself losing the self-control he has prized all his life, he can hasten the process."

  • "It's pretty weird knowing what day you're going to die, but we could plan for it"
Autonomy, control, and rational planning are indeed the cherished cultural touchstones of the technocratic new middle class which runs the Democratic Party, which is why this class is so enthusiastic about managing death. Of course, any Christian faithful to his/her religion believes that, since we have not given ourselves life, we have no right to take it in turn. As the Pope writes again,
[suicide] involves the rejection of love of self and the renunciation of the obligation of justice and charity towards one's neighbour, towards the communities to which one belongs, and towards society as a whole. In its deepest reality, suicide represents a rejection of God's absolute sovereignty over life and death
The culture of death says first and foremost "I am God". No wonder the Democrats have a religion problem.

127 Comments:

At 5:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I suppose the appropriate agent for God on Earth is the Government, which best can "manage death". Scalia seems to hold these same views, oddly.

My spouse and I have our living wills completed and filed. And I would appreciate it if you would not support laws that criminalize (for instance) my efforts to off myself in the event that my personal "autonomy [and] control" leads me to conclude that that is the best course for my life, and death. I can see the death penalty for failed suicide attempts right out there on the horizon.

Strangely, this is, as you allude, the only thing you've ever written that seems so wrong headed as to border on offensive. The offense is this: your presumption that your religious beliefs (and apparently the Pope's) trump mine, whatever those beliefs may be. I have no problem with you believing (whatever that may be); I have a real problem with you projecting those clearly religious beliefs on to me.

 
At 5:46 PM, Anonymous Tom Marney said...

There are some religious beliefs that the holders of which believe have to be imposed by state fiat because they aren't self-evident enough to induce enough people to adhere to then. Such beliefs, simply put, aren't very good ones.

By definition you're speaking in favor of bad religion, because good religion is something the vast majority of religious people (and even some non-religious people) choose of their own will. I don't understand why you're in favor of bad religion, let alone of imposing it by state fiat or (maybe) pretending to be OK with such in order to pander to devotees of bad religion for political gain.

Otherwise, though, this is a vewry good blog.

 
At 5:47 PM, Anonymous Tom Marney said...

uh, a VERY good blog...

 
At 6:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cowardly Anonymouse here again. I'll third and fourth tom marney. I have great great respect for General Glut's opinions, normally. There is a great clarity in your examinations of current affairs that's really rare and valuable. It just doesn't extend smoothly to the varieties of religious experience, apparently.

 
At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Mitesh said...

I'm a Hindu. I have an entirely different view of life and death. How can we reconcile what our faiths teach us?

 
At 7:35 PM, Blogger rtalcott said...

Don't impose your beliefs of life and death on me. I AM god as far as my life is concerned.

Other than this little perturbation from the norm...great blog!

rt

 
At 11:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who has responsibility for dying? As a believer, I know that the life of God is a gift, but I also know that at the same time it is a human responsibility (first of my parents and then my own). One cannot simply 'leave everything to God' at the end of one's life, any more than one can at the beginning. And just as the Roman teaching on birth control has led us into a cul-de-sac, so too has its teaching on help in dying.

No, human responsibility does not cease in dying, but here is called for one last time, to the degree that a person consciously experiences this phase. And why should I give up responsibility in particular for the last phase, having been asked to be responsible throughout a long life? Why should I not be able to give my life back into God's hands after a mature examination of my conscience? Precisely because a human being never ceases to be a 'person'…he or she should be able to make a decision in personal dignity…"

-- Hans Kung

 
At 11:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Political Problem for Democrats?

CBS News/New York Times Poll
Nov. 18-21, 2004.
N=885 adults nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (for all adults).

"If a person has a disease that will ultimately destroy their mind or body and they want to take their own life, should a doctor be allowed to assist the person in taking their own life, or not?"

ALL adults
should be allowed 46%
should not be 45%
unsure 9%

Republicans
should be allowed 32%
should not be 59%
unsure 9%

Democrats
should be allowed 54%
should not be 40%
unsure 6%

Independents
should be allowed 50%
should not be 40%
unsure 10%

 
At 12:31 AM, Anonymous cm said...

After carefully reading the article, my conclusion is that the General comments on the issue, but does not impose his view. I certainly know better than to argue such matters of belief, in good part because they are fundamentally unknowable and un(dis)provable, at least for my standards of proof. (BTW see also the concept of above-mortal mystery in most religions.)

As value systems derived from different concepts of who has "final authority" over human affairs are bound to be irreconcilable, reasonable people strive to make practically workable compromises, which is difficult, but limiting imposition of values derived from specific religious beliefs strikes me as a good guiding principle. But then OTOH what is reasonable is also a value jugdement ...

 
At 7:56 AM, Blogger David said...

It's ok for doctors to play god, then? Nurses? Relatives, once one is no longer lucid?

I could strike a very short path between your reasoning and that of the Christian Scientists (of which perhaps you are one?) and rule all medicine a blasphemous presumption.

God has ordained many more things than the time of one's death. Are we to abstain from influencing the course of our lives entirely?

As others have said above, you run a wonderfully informative blog, and this post has sparked my only substantive disagreement with it.

 
At 9:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the right to suicide is the most basic human right. If you are oppressed and forced to work for your oppressor, you can always suicide. To take it away is the best way to ensure oppression.
And I believe the right of abortion has been a major basis of women's improvement.
However, those rights being granted, abuses can be and should be fought. And most of all, presently all the fuss about these problems is a diversion from the major ones.
Wages are too low. Lending activity is too high. Ecological awareness is too low.
I mean we're headed towards the biggest economic crisis ever, driving at full speed and we're discussing about the individual right to abortion or suicide ...

WAKE UP !!!
The individual is not the problem now. We have a major collective problem with our economy. That's what we need to take care off. The democrats better care about wages, ecology and debt, this will win votes. They have to agressively fight capitalist free marketeers. They have to have balls and fight for something worth it. It s time to stop being defensive and to defend basic rights as if something could take them away (people do suicide and abort whatever legal system there is) it 's time to fight for those things that can save our society (ecology, economic equality) not those things agreable to the individual.

 
At 9:51 AM, Blogger calmo said...

Yes "WAKE UP" but just banging my head with the teapot lid is not doing it. (Slap in the belly with a cold fish maybe?) [But this topic prods me to the keyboard on the "I am God" note and I am forced to comply.]
Anony of 10:13am stirs me too with this bit:
"The individual is not the problem now. We have a major collective problem with our economy."
I am reminded of those 450 sheep that followed the leader of the cliff recently and thank the editors for not putting that story at the top of the global news section. That was an expensive coffee break for the sheep herders. (Beware that moment of inattention.) Views from eco-terrorists are of the opinion that the lead sheep was a plant. [But unanimously thought, not from the cowboys whose intelligence has not benefitted by their association with the cows.] It is said that the pile of mutton at the bottom of the cliff was a protest by the grazers that they'd had enough of this managed slaughter. If they had to go, they'd choose their own time and place. It would not be at the convenience of any butcher.
Such pride, no?

 
At 10:51 AM, Anonymous cap'n redneck said...

General,

They don't have the guts to address your main point and they never will. The bottom line is that Kristoff, Freidman, Hillary, (probably Pelosi, Reid, and Dean as well) along with your dear readers upstream, all expect to be around enjoying a relatively nice life after the system starts to break down. All these Rand-libs believe they will be the winners, or at least the survivors.

Well, maybe some of 'em can't connect the dots. Of course a political "morality" predicated on the notion that one's right to breathe air, drink water, and feed one's self depends on whether somebody else can make enough money off you will always cite the most horrific cases like Schiavo. Its funny how these Rand-libs, to borrow a term from their patron Saint Bubba, "compartmentalize", the issue of who dies and who lives. Christopher Reeve was the poster boy for stem cell research and a useful political cudgel. It always puzzled me why they were so hell bent on getting Schaivo dead instead of allowing her parents to hold on to her when all right thinking people knows she could have walked again when John Edwards finally gets to the White House.

Of course, their gonna come at me with "Reeve wanted to live, Schiavo didn't." How convenient. But why allow somebody to off themselves, or their husband to off them, when we know that the miracle of stem cells is just over the horizon? My take is that, just like nice Rand-lib institutions like the Dalton School and Yale, the brave new world of biomedical immortality AIN'T for just anybody.

What we got hear, when you boil the turnip down, is one V.I Lenin's worlview "those who will not work, neither shall they eat." Or updated, "those who will not symbolically analyze..." Curiously, I've always seen Rand, Mamogreenspan, and their ideological heirs at the WSJ op page comprising the other side of Lenin's vile coin. If there was such thing as a 3 sided coin, Freidman, Kristoff and the Rand-libs who are trying to bully you into their version "of shut up and sing..er, blog on what I agree with.." would be it.

Well, like I said, most of the people with the wherewithal for DSL and the educational outlay (Ivy league or erastz Ivy tuition) to even be here naturally see themselves as winners when the shit truly gets down and Darwinian.

What with all the very real (sarcasm aside here) specter of Peak Oil, Global Warming, The Dollar Crisis, and the Bangalore miracle...Well, lessjussay, unless I had some USMC experience under my belt or a nice compound deep in Red State or Cal-Ore-Wash bucolia, I'd be rather uneasy with the increasing commodification of human life.

"Country folk can survive."-Bocephus

OUT

 
At 11:17 AM, Anonymous peBird said...

As a "cultural liberal" I'm going to take GG's position on this, with some caveats. First of all, suicide is probably the most intimate, personal act one can think of - if I determine that the government/state/society should have no power in this matter, that does not make me a non-liberal. There are and should be some acts that remain personal - e.g., without state sanction or government assistance. Suicide is one of them.

Having said that, if you determine you need to end your life - there are ways you can do so, and you should know that you are putting your personal relations at legal risk for asking them to help.

With regard to "abortion on demand" - it is a misstatement of the position of much of the left. There are restrictions on abortion, it is not available "on demand" in the nation. But this is another area where extreme government intervention will do more harm than good. Abortion is an unfortunate necessarly evil - I don't know of anyone who goes out looking to get pregnant in order to have an abortion. The right wing will not stop at making abortion illegal - they will want to enforce the law by insisting the state monitor reproduction. The early Catholic Church actually allowed for abortion if the fetus was not of human shape.

I think the proper approach to abortion is to recognize it is a symptom of a problem and not the problem itself - working to minimize abortion through education, health care, access to contraception has been demonstrated to reduce teenage pregnancy rates in the liberal state of California (Texas, which has an opposite approach has higher teenage pregnancy rates). Yes, it's a classic "liberal" solution, but when you figure out how to outlaw war, you can tackle abortion.

 
At 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering when the spectre of Spencer would raise its ugly head, since it seems likely that the just fear of Social Darwinism is one of the premises lying underneath the General's conclusions in his post.

There's a problem though. During the time that restrictions on abortion and end of life decisions were being relaxed over the last 100 years, the direct manifestations of Social Darwinism, especially as they were applied in racial/class/disabilities based forms, have simultaneously been slowly eradicated. It should be a troubling conundrum for the likes of the General that the odious practices of Spencerism were most prevalent when abortion and assisted suicide were completely illegal.

This adoption of "technocrat" as a euphemism for "Spencerite" or "Randian" is also curious. I actually read Rand when I was twenty, and thought her stuff ridiculous, and still do. No, what you're really doing, when you blithely toss out "technocrat" as a label for people who think seriously about the most difficult questions in life and refuse to take the easy way out by oversimplifying (or simply ignoring) the edge cases, is to invoke the anti-intellectual tradition as a rhetorical weapon. Truly baffling, given the otherwise scintillating content on this blog.

 
At 11:59 PM, Blogger calmo said...

cm makes me read the article again with this:
" my conclusion is that the General comments on the issue, but does not impose his view."
So, cm has suspended whateveritis when he reads this:
" I suspect most readers [just dissed as cultural liberals] of the Globblog agreed with him.

I don't."

Let me be clear: I feel dissed just being herded into the 'most readers'. Why should I allow cultural liberals to speak for me? [This slides a little to 'technocrats' but not as far as anony thinks with 'Randians'.] We like sheep, not only in Handel's Messiah. Trust me, the herders like it like that.

That may not be clear enough.
Let me impose my view thusly:

"I suspect most readers [just dissed as sheep] of the Globblog agreed with cm.

I don't."

 
At 1:05 AM, Blogger Da Man said...

Kristof neglects to tell his readers that the Supreme Court has already ruled on physican-assisted suicide and the so-called "right-to-die". In Washington v. Glucksberg (1997), the Supreme Court ruled that there is no constitutional right to commit suicide and that allowing physicans to prescribe lethal doses of drugs would lead us towards the "slippery slope" of euthanasia.


And by the way, the Supreme Court voted unanimously (9-0) to uphold existing the statutes to preserve life and outlaw physician-assisted suicide. A unanimous decision--that's every Supreme Court justice from Ginsburg to Scalia. How often do we see such broad consensus on the Supreme Court?

 
At 11:47 AM, Anonymous Jim said...

well stated, general.
G-d gave us life, and it's simply arrogant to assume that the right to end that lies with each individual.

Being of libertarian persuasion, I don't think that call should be made by the government either, but if i have to choose (and as a voter I do) between the liberal left point of view that disregards the inherent value of life as a reason for disallowing government intervention in the issue and the conservative right point of view that feels so strongly about the inherent value of life that they wish to pass laws (which I generally disagree with because morality isn't the government's business), I'm more tempted to side with the conservatives.

 
At 10:23 AM, Blogger calmo said...

Is the real problem with the line "I am God" not the last word but the first?
I mean who is going to get excited if you were to say "WHO?". Nobody. [Ok, maybe all the atheists prick up their ears.]
Now if they responded by asking a little more pointedly, feeling that you were about to launch into a "I am captain of my ship" tirade, with a question about that pronoun, it might go differently. The best response I can think of is the counterpunch: "No, The family is God". It may not be honest, but it is marketable (and so much more user friendly than "I").
The sales pitch you would use against your shipless captain goes like this:
You twit, your family and your friends brought you to this brink. We wouldn't give a shit about your laughable powers and pretensions were it not for the fact that it reflects horribly on us. Let us load the gun for you, so that you don't get the damn thing jammed like last time. If you weren't such a moron and a complete utter failure we'd have considered sending you to Suicide 101, but we have been contaminated by your own pitiful standards and consider it a waste of money. Already there is talk of joining the bomb demolition squad and it's all your fault.

Should the captain snap out of it and rescue you from your next bomb deactivation, he might consider the wider field that "I" plays in this little opera of stunted imaginations.

 
At 10:41 AM, Anonymous cm said...

calmo: Well, define "impose". Issuing conjectures on which some people may rightfully take offense, and taking a (hypothetically opposed) side on an issue, alone does not constitute imposition in my book. The General is not a public officer who is bound by separation of religion and state. Other than that, if we can agree on fundamental principles of civility and decency, and possibly more, that's good. We don't have to meta-agree on our interpretation of the General's comments what he thinks others are thinking. And neither do I see it my place to proselytize him. He is free to suspect what most readers think, as much as I'm free to make up my own mind about the things put forward in this place.

 
At 11:54 AM, Blogger calmo said...

To tell the truth (just this once) the General has really sunk his teeth in here and cm, diffusing his position by claiming that he is not imposing his view, is like saying he really has a loud bark but those teeth are pretty much over the hill (like mine).
Do I need to wade in here about what 'imposing a view' means?
This entrance:
"Most readers of the Globblog, I suspect, are cultural liberals. When Markos Moulitsas listed assisted suicide and abortion on demand as "core values" of the Democratic Party, I suspect most readers of the Globblog agreed with him."
is deliberately provocative (ok, not all of us have your tolerance cm) and I for one joined the barbarians as soon as I noticed I was slated for 'cultural liberals" [not to worry, the cannibals made me a more attractive offer.] And in like measure dishonest. Does the General feel that the core values of the Dem Party should be, say, for capital punishment (for dishonesty of course) instead of assisted suicide and abortion on demand?
Didn't we just beat this one to death about the inanity of shoring up the Dem Party and their core values by starting with abortion?
Didn't we suffer enough with that one?
Nope, we didn't.
You can see the attractions of joining a more intelligent and honest group, the cannibals.

 
At 4:42 PM, Blogger buermann said...

He might just be saying that cultural liberals could afford a little less ideological conformity on social issues in return for a more unified, populist economic front from the Democratic Party. And he'd be right.

 
At 10:01 PM, Blogger calmo said...

But he doesn't bounce the ball that way buermann. The General does kos no favors by stretching 'right to die' to 'assisted suicide' and 'Choice' to 'abortion on demand'. No matter that these are 'tentative', a start, an exploration. He bounces the ball off the heavy weight blogger to discredit him not to apologize for him. Atleast there is no mention of legal marijuana [Get Stoned] this time.
So you are apologizing for The General, buermann and I will remember you for that because I can't find that suggestion " in return for a more unified, populist economic front". Can I stand to read it once more?
Well, my detections skills may be a little less honed than yours, but the message seems to be: the Dems are run by technocrats who aren't religious, who are obsessed with managing death [this is an interpretation/analysis that is not peculiar to the new middle class Dems]--not that they have demanded ideological conformity [any list even a tentative one, is going to be selective]
I look in vain for the General's implied "more unified, populist economic front", which you so generously attribute to him. When I read it, it occurs to me that it is possible that GG is not partial to putting the Dems right.

 
At 10:19 PM, Anonymous Alexis said...

Am in rare disagreement with your views on this topic, General.
Briefly: It is our right to make the decisions re our own bodies and minds.



___________
Think all is going to be changed by the boomers here too.

I want to be able to give myself whatever preferably out in a great nature environment.

The several shots we give murderers to exit are better than what Ive seen in the ___ ___ jackass hospitals --that people don't leave--after every hour of the day and every movement is controlled by others! Lied to by doctors and the rest of the control freaks as knowing what's better. Some stranger foreign nurses, etc. etc. etc. Oh, yeah, that's what's good.

And, before lost autonomy.
Defintely don't want medical authority control freaks or religious authority control freaks controlling the last option--or last days or hours.

 
At 9:25 AM, Blogger calmo said...

And this "want to be able to give myself whatever preferably out in a great nature environment."
is no great favor to your friends and family, Alexis. They might be thinking that you short-changed them. They might have invested tons of effort into your well being and feel totally disappointed at losing you. You could have had a bad day and (on your trip to hell) think that you might like to take that step back and reconsider. [You could have gone to heaven too and been totally disgusted with who got there and changed your mind about offing yourself too.]
Not that 'right to die' and 'assisted suicide' are the same thing, but this 'captain of your ship' stuff is such a bunch of malarkey, it could only come from land lubbers.
The boomers, not just Dems, are busy parking their parents in 'retirement centers' and are reacting to that experience.

 
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